be talking about the roberts' court having overturned a racial preference sytem at a university of texas, overturning section v of the voting rights act of 19644 as an infringement on americans. in the spirit of that wonderful decision citizens united. >> you agree with that? >> i do. he's playing the long game here. those are the issues that he personally as a justice cares about. when issues of affirmative action and racial preferences come up, you hear john roberts get an edge in his voice. >> the sort of business -- >> before this week, his legacy was citizens united. but this is one progressive that's not there. >> i'm not as confidentry on what john roberts going to do. john roberts exposed this week that he's very attentive to elite public opinion in washington, d.c. and the attentiveness to elite public opinion is going to pull him up opinion it's going to constrain him. the reality is, we don't know, but we should know because these guys and ladies are supposed to be reading opinions and listening to the arguments and being independents. the reality is for conservatives this wee